Livecountsedit

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Livecountsedit FAQ

General

Livecountsedit is a website that allows you to make fake subscriber and follower counts for fun.
There could be a few reasons for this.
  • If the site was recently updated, your browser may still have the old version cached. To fix this, visit this article.
  • Additionally, if you have multiple Livecountsedit tabs open and the site was recently updated, please make sure to close all of them, because IndexedDB (the method Livecountsedit uses to store data in the browser) can block when upgrading if multiple tabs are open.
  • Bugs, errors, or glitches: Please report them in our Discord server.
  • JavaScript needs to be enabled on your browser, and make sure you're not blocking any parts of the site (or external libraries that the site uses, such as Highcharts for graphs) using firewalls, antivirus software, or browser extensions.
  • Corrupted save data (for counters that use save data): This could be a result of a bug, importing sketchy/corrupted save files, or pasting stuff into the browser console. If this is the case, reset your data (if possible), if not, then you will need to clear your browser's local storage for lcedit.com. You can clear local storage easily by going to the main page, scrolling down, and pressing the red button that says "RESET ALL DATA."
  • This is an issue that is known to occur on Safari on the YT Studio theme since version 6.10.5. To fix this, you can use an older version (v6.9) or use the "set margin on top of count" setting. Unfortunately we don't have any Apple devices to test with but if anyone wants to contribute a fix to this, feel free to do so in our Github repository.
    You've probably found out that refreshing works while trying to figure this out, but you open it by clicking the speech bubble with the exclamation mark in it on the top right corner, to the left of the "X".
    It's a (currently discontinued) concept for a version of Livecountsedit where you can make your own layouts and customize counters with draggable elements. You can check it out here.
    Make a fork of our Github repository, make changes in your fork, and then create a pull request on the original with your fork. You may want to consider our contribution policy if you have questions (such as when and how to contribute an add-on vs. directly contributing to our site).

    Updates

    Livecountsedit gets updated whenever the owners feel like it. Occasionally, plans and leaks for future Livecountsedit updates may be announced in our Discord server, but please note that updates are never 100% guaranteed.
    Join our Discord server.
    To create suggestions for Livecountsedit, join our Discord server.
    As stated in the previous question, join our Discord server to create suggestions. Additionally, we will only consider suggestions if we believe they make for a good addition to Livecountsedit rather than being solely for the purpose of being as realistic to MDM's livestreams as possible. Stuff like refresh screens and the six-digit random number that goes after the "Top 50 Subscriber Count" are unlikely to be considered, but if a certain feature is popular within the community, people may contribute them as add-ons, which are posted in our Discord server.
    We currently aren't planning to add new counters, but you can still suggest them in our Discord server.
    Top 50 is by far the most popular in our Discord community for fake subscriber world series, so that's why it tends to get all the attention. If you have any suggestions for other counters, please feel free to let us know on Discord!
    No. Livecountsedit is a fake subscriber/follower counter website, not a fake analytics site. Suggestions for fake analytics will not be considered.

    Save Files

    It's a way for you to save your data as a file that you can then import later.

    To download a save file, go to the "Import & Export Data" tab. Keep everything checked if you want to keep all your data, but you may want to uncheck Stream Settings & ID on Top 50 to avoid sharing your Nightbot code, and uncheck API updates if you use credentials in your API settings to avoid sharing those if you plan on sharing the save with someone else. After that, just press the "Export Data" button!

    To import a save file, use the "Import Data" button below, or on Top 50, the "Load Save (From Top 50 Save)" file input, and select your file. If you get prompted about a partial import, it is because you either left some boxes unchecked or the save file doesn't contain everything (e.g. was exported with a few boxes unchecked, or from a different counter/older version). Press "OK" if you want to merge with what you already have, keeping everything that isn't imported. "Cancel" will RESET everything that isn't imported.

    Refer to this article. Note that with a recent update, reasonable save files will not encounter this issue due to using another browser storage method that doesn't have low limitations. However, the old YT Studio counter still uses local storage, which is subject to a 5 MiB (binary megabytes) limit.
    This is a bug with Discord on Android. To get around this, simply renaming the file to a .txt instead of .json should work. Note that the save file can be imported into Livecountsedit perfectly fine as a .txt file. Note that save files created after June 4, 2025 use the MIME type text/plain despite being a .json file in order to get around this issue.
    Yes! Please be aware that you may end up importing the design or styles of a different counter, and that not all features are supported on all counters. Please be sure to uncheck anything, such as styles, that you don't want imported from another counter before importing your file.

    Features

    The exact details on how each option works are a bit advanced if you don't know coding, but you can use one of the mixerno.space presets. Make sure you configure the YouTube channel ID, or create new counters with ID field set to the corresponding ID on Top 50. You can convert a YouTube username to an ID using this tool. Alternatively, you can go to the channel's about page by clicking the "...more" in the description, scrolling down to the bottom, clicking "Share channel," and then clicking "Copy Channel ID."

    If you use the "Force updates" option, the counter will be the real sub count, otherwise, you can make your own estimations for abbreviated YouTube counts. All single user counters and compare counters come with an "overestimation leeway" option to specify how much to bring the count down by if you overestimate. For example, if your count hits 101M but the API still says 100M, you can use a 10% leeway to drop it down to 100.9M, or a 20% leeway to drop to 100.8M. Using a 0% leeway will drop to 100,999,999.

    Also, remember to save your API settings! They don't get saved automatically.

    We used to have a button to automatically import them, but we removed it due to copyright concerns. You can find community-made lists like this one or copy from a save file shared in our Discord server.

    Make sure you set the fire icon gain type to "Hour", and add them in order from highest to lowest so they take priority in the correct order.

    Watch this video by MDM himself for the exact rates:

    We have a gain calculator for that.

    Mean and standard deviation gains offer an option for a (possibly) more realistic count growth. For example, instead of being confined to a minimum and maximum gain, you add a mean value, and the standard deviation controls the spread. It is a normal, aka Gaussian distribution, so values closer to the mean are more likely.

    For example, if your mean is 20 and your standard deviation is 5, most gains should be within 5 (or 1 standard deviation), so 15-25.

    As a rule of thumb, around 68% of the time you get a gain within 1 standard deviation (so 15-25 in the example), 95% within 2 standard deviations (10-30), and 99.7% within 3 standard deviations (5-35).

    Even if you use min/max gains, the total gain after a long period of time will be approximately normally distributed thanks to the Central Limit Theorem, so we also use this to simulate offline gains and to estimate gains with our gain calculator. Who knew that we would use actual statistics when talking about "YouTube Stats"?

    There are two ways of determining gain in Livecountsedit, and those are observed gains and set gains.

    Observed gains will look at the actual counter moving and take an average of some values (the number of points to sample can be changed using the "Calculate gain rate as average of" option) to estimate the gain rate of a channel. You should use this if your counters are being influenced by external means like API updates, or if you want to account for the randomness of the gains to make it more interesting.

    Set gains, which is what the fires and differences will use if you uncheck the use observed gains option, will simply literally look at your gain settings and calculate the true average gain rate using that. You should use this if you want your effects to be accurate to your settings, don't want them changing around randomly, and aren't using API updates.

    Streaming

    Straight from MG has a tutorial on YouTube:

    You can use a window capture source, but please be aware this requires you to have the browser window active because browsers automatically throttle JavaScript for background tabs, which means counters will barely move. You can also use an OBS browser source, but please be sure to follow the our tutorial on this article. Note that importing and exporting data, as well as using Livecountsedit, can be tricky in OBS browser mode, so be sure to follow the tutorial.
    No, but it is appreciated!